Our newspaper received Friday a number of CGT. Labour Act, strikes, operation of trade unions, social violence … Philippe Martinez replied, without dodging, questions of seven of our players.
To say he was awaited for. As the strike at the SNCF was Friday, the tenth day in a row, that movements of Air France pilots and sanitation workers a little more tense social climate, our seven players were eager to learn – and do battle – with the man who stands up to the government and leads the revolt against the Labour law since March. Casual, Philippe Martinez, secretary general of the CGT, has arrived in our office on Friday morning at 10 am for a meeting of half past one sometimes busy but always cordial. Very firm when it comes to defending the position of his union, Philippe Martinez also knows how to use humor to lighten the mood when tempers flare.
LABOUR LAW
JULIEN Peyrafitte. I do not know where will the CGT. I even feel like you pull a shot in the foot …
PHILIPPE MARTINEZ. The spine of the bill will challenge because a basic principle of social law: the hierarchy of norms. Today, there is a labor code that applies to all and collective agreements signed in each branch, and finally there are enterprise agreements. The principle of El Khomri law is reversing this hierarchy. The Labour Code and the collective agreement will remain a reference, but a different law can be applied in business. On the increase in overtime, for example, the law provides that they shall be increased by 25%. Tomorrow, with this law, we can decide that in such a place, they will be paid 10% more, and in another 15 or 20%. More enterprise agreements will be, the more it will pressure the employees.
EMMANUELLE DE RAUCOURT. What do you want ? The suspension, withdrawal?
This is the government to decide. We ask that he withdraw the five articles that are the backbone of the text. And we discussed once again. That is to say, Article 2 of the backup plans of employment in particular. There is also the issue of corporate referendum and that of medicine.
JULIEN Peyrafitte. Trade unions are mostly found in large enterprises. Article 2, is it not an opportunity to be more in SMEs?
This has nothing to do. Business negotiation, it exists. CGT also sign agreements in 85% of the companies. Social dialogue exists. The question is: under what conditions we negotiate, and it is negotiating fair? You saw what happened at Smart is typically what could give the application of Article 2 the possibility for employers to negotiate the transition to the 39 hours paid 35. They say employees it’s a negotiation, but if you do not agree, we close the business. This is blackmail.
SIMON JOHN MEYER. Do you reform the legal working time is likely to favor employment and particularly youth?
In the light of technological developments such as digital, is becoming product more wealth in France. This wealth should also benefit employees. If you spend 32 hours a week, this will lead, arithmetically, the creation of 4.5 million jobs. It is thought to work less to work better. There are companies where there are 32 hours in Sweden for example. Why would not it be possible in France?
STRIKES
JULIEN Peyrafitte. The strike affects transport, fuel, garbage collection. How do you feel to see all these people still struggling?
The strikes necessarily penalize everyone. I too am affected by the caps. Yes, I put myself in the pumps of these people, I do not live in my bubble. I talk with them. We started with the demonstrations, we made it one, two, three, four. We were not listened to. After a moment, employees are annoyed and go on strike.
QUENTIN HEILMAN. You do not say that you are going too far?
No. The strike, not Martinez who decreed. There are general meetings, employees voted. There is much talk in Paris of the incineration center refuse to Ivry-sur-Seine, but they are 95% have voted to strike.
SABRINA alleges. It rained a lot. The French had difficulties to move and go to work. Inevitably, the transport strikes have not helped. Why CGT did not call to suspend movements?
I suspected you would ask me that question. I brought you a leaflet CGT Energie du Loiret department which has been very severely affected. All the strikers is autoréquisitionné to restore power among private electricity users. Whenever situations arise such as the cel you describe, there is no need even watchword. Employees have a professional conscience. They know what they have to do.
STÉPHANE Wulleman. People who work are taken hostage. It does not bother you?
“Hostage taking” this formula is fashionable, but you have to weigh his words. In France, we know what that means.
JOHN RÉGIS Vauplane. You’re not afraid to harm the image of France?
I know that the CGT weighs a lot in this country but that France Attractiveness because problems for us it is a fable. All reports, all studies of Chambers of Industry and Commerce say that France has three advantages: infrastructure, the level of employee training and labor flexibility
QUENTIN HEILMAN. . Your action will it not lead young people to leave France?
I do not think. Some believe that all young people want to become billionaires. This is not our opinion. We, we believe that looking young is to have a job. Now, more and more young graduates are doing jobs that do not match their qualifications. Some go abroad, it’s true. But it is a problem that affects not only France. In Spain, if unemployment falls, it is because young people are leaving.
SIMON JOHN MEYER. What is your goal for the event next Tuesday?
We need to make stronger than March 31. There were 1.2 million throughout France. Here it will be poor, with a strong time in Paris. But we have a problem with the owners of bus companies, who do not want to provide buses for the demonstrations.
CGT
STÉPHANE Wulleman. The main strike leaders, union officials, are often preferred …
“Privileged” must weigh his words. Since you talk about me, I am like the others, on strike, so every month, my pay is cut by the equivalent of strike days of my comrades. This feeds our solidarity funds.
EMMANUELLE DE RAUCOURT. You’re not afraid of being overwhelmed by your base?
The CGT is not a military organization. Describe myself as the boss of the CGT. There is no subordination between an activist and general secretary of the CGT. But if you say something, you heard? Not always. There is a false view of the operating mode of the CGT when I whistle and everyone at attention you. It’s more complicated than that.
JULIEN Peyrafitte. If there is indeed a union where there is discipline, it’s yours!
This is my dream, are you saying! FO whistles, it can work like that at home. Not here. Some activists do not share the leader’s point of view but it is a tiny minority. I get hate mail from some union CGT who consider that I am soft. I assume. For some, I am a hard, for others, I’m soft.
VIDEO. Philippe Martinez: “For some I am a hard to others I am a soft”
STÉPHANE Wulleman. Should we not limit the union secondment duration
It should provide opportunities for union officials – I am since 2008 – back in business. It’s a real problem. But we need rules and business agreements that allow. I can. If I had not been general secretary of the CGT, I think I would have returned. My term normally lasts three years. And I’m 55, I hope to retire not too late. Sometimes I go back to my hotel, I have an access card. I go when I want, even if management asks us to prevent it. I also go in many companies. When they see the mustachioed, in general, employees enjoy themselves. Yes, we need permanent, union officials go on, because real life is there. And what trade unionists and even more suffer politicians, is to speak of a world they do not always know.
The EURO 2016
SIMON JOHN MEYER. You support the team of France of football?
I love football, I played for forty years, I even coached. I support the team of France. If eliminated before Spain – that I do not want – my second team is Spain. Your prediction? There is a very good team of France, although there have been injuries and unwelcome controversy. I am an optimist then, the European champion France, we have to believe!
THE UNION AND POLICY
EMMANUELLE DE RAUCOURT. You have long adhered to the PCF. Is this normal?
I’m not there. So I am one in France, 87% of union members not adhering to a political party. After I unionist and citizen. When we joined the CGT, we do not ask people if they are members of a political party, what is their religion …
STÉPHANE Wulleman. Historically, one of the symbols of French workers and even Europe, it was the hammer and sickle. You wear a pin against racism. What it interests the workers?
It is a symbol against racism and the far right. The CGT values and it makes a hundred and twenty years that it is so. In Article 1 of the Articles of CGT Figure antiracism. It can not be the CGT and be an elected National Front. This is against the values of the CGT. You are for the reception of migrants … Is it not to the detriment of French workers? Talking about the problem of migrants and immigration. When your name is Martinez, it was his parents or his grandparents, who have heard the same words that some immigrants are launching “They just bite the bread and work of the French. “I have been fortunate to work with Renault on Seguin Island in Boulogne-Billancourt. There were 40 different nationalities. They all worked for the development of France and they stung the person job. Contrary to what the National Front, and even a Republican spokesperson who does not hesitate to mention hordes of migrants who irresistibly overrun on France. We, considering that there is a job for everyone.
QUENTIN HEILMAN. You do strike against the left. Against a government very liberal right, how far would you go?
It is not the government that matters, it’s the law. Political democracy and social democracy, it is not the same. If we consider a law as bad, we tell. But if the employees feel good – even if it is more liberal – well they will not follow the CGT if it calls to strike! We are not dealing with robots that start at attention and march when pressing a button. There are laws on which we tried to mobilize, without success. Leave that employees realize two or three years later we were right to warn them …
SIMON JOHN MEYER. In 2012, Bernard Thibault called for a vote for Hollande. In 2017 what will you do? In 2012, the CGT called to beat Nicolas Sarkozy. When the call to fight one, translation is called to vote for the other. My position is that the CGT does not give instructions to vote. Employees are old enough to know what they have to do at the polls.
EMMANUELLE DE RAUCOURT. ? Even vis-à-vis the FN
I am sufficiently explained to me on the FN: here we touch on the values of the CGT. So we are against. Moreover, the FN, some want to ban the CGT!
SABRINA alleges. We present you as the first opponent in Holland and Valls. Your goal is to get the government to resign?
No. I oppose the policy of a government on a particular measure, but not a government. This is not a casting problem. I’m not the first opponent of Manuel Valls. Resigns and we put in another that does the same, it is useless! Our wish is that the president keeps its commitments candidate: “I attack the world of finance; I promote social dialogue “, etc. When this program and we are elected, respect for voters, is to keep the program for which it was elected.
VIDEO. Philippe Martinez: “The CGT must not give instructions to vote”
MAN
SABRINA alleges. What is your salary?
I earn € 2,900 net per month. This is the salary I had at Renault. I have not had a single increase since 2000.
SIMON JOHN MEYER. What is your occupation?
I am a senior technician. I started in supplies between factories in Spain and the French plant. It was even a first point of conflict, because there were bonuses when they spoke a language. But lack of pot when I arrived, they told me that it is for the old, but not for young people! You have an official residence, as Thierry Le Paon? No, I have an apartment that I have not finished paying.
THE CLIMATE OF VIOLENCE
STÉPHANE Wulleman. Since the beginning of the strike, have you received any threats?
Yes, I must be a little careful. Some gangs send mails with Philippe Martinez at the end of a rope or “we will have your hide.” At the office, the insults raining down on the switchboard and several leaders received anonymous letters with coffins.
Do not you think it’s you who are afraid too?
Some maintain that fear. When Pierre Gattaz calling us terrorists, it does not dream. We must stop to maintain the idea that the CGT is to put the brothel. We have very good relations with SME owners. I remind you that the professional artisans Union Confederations and the general small and medium enterprises are also against Article 2 of the Labour Law.
You mentioned weight of words. I myself was unionized, but I was very shocked at the violence of the leaflets of the CGT against the police …
I reacted. I even said publicly that the second time it happened, it was one time too many. It was a mistake. On the first poster, we said that we condemn all violence. Where they come. There are videos on the Internet showing that people were jostled by police. We also said that there was a staffing problem in the public services. And the police is a public service. It has eliminated 13,000 jobs, despite what the Minister of the Interior, it did not offset these reductions.
readers
JULIEN Peyrafitte 41 senior unemployed Paris (Xe)
JEAN-SIMON MEYER 42 statistician social Security Fontenay-sous-Bois (94)
QUENTIN HEILMAN 19 student Melun (77)
SABRINA alleges 27 years in charge of a cosmetics store Arcueil (94)
STÉPHANE Wulleman 44 years prison officer Cerny – La Ferte-Alais (91)
EMMANUELLE DE RAUCOURT 54 hospital doctor Asnieres (92)
JEAN REGIS DE Vauplane 25 student and entrepreneur Paris (eighth)
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