He laid before him a miniature steel roll siglé Thyssen and a keychain “Republica”, in homage to his Spanish origins. Without changing anything else, Philippe Martinez took over the office of Secretary General of the CGT in Montreuil. Brand new, almost. A place than its predecessor Thierry Lepaon renovated it dearly, which cost him his job, among other more serious reasons related to internal battles. Little known French, the new leader because football aside, shows smiling and looking to break his image of man “gruff”. But on the bottom, he never gives up. He began, without saying a long campaign before the Congress of the plant in 2016, which he will attempt to retain the management.
You have taken the lead there a month and half of a union in crisis. How’s the CGT?
The CGT does not stop living because he had a problem with him. She continued and continues to act in everyday life, from employees. Today there is a new team at the helm, any CGT is action-oriented. It reoccupied our field, the social, the challenge of the proposal. I’m pretty happy to find enthusiastic supporters.
“The concept of balance of power continues to CGT, and it will last for a long time”
Your first decision was to organize a strike on April 9 with FP. You do not have another solution?
The idea of this day of protest did not come, rising one morning. The finding comes from far away: many struggles for wages, pensions, public services are not publicized. Now it must visibility. The concept of balance of power continues to CGT, and it will last a long time. The strike is not a French specificity. In all countries of the world, is the best way to be heard in case discussions blockage.
You have the image of a hard. You claim?
This is part of clichés. I just Billancourt, the working fortress that of paid leave and May 1968. I am very proud of the past CGT union at Renault … It’s easy to stick a label me. Some consider me too hard, others as too soft. I have convictions but I listen. It must be an exchange of ideas, confrontation, but not as it lasts too long either.
The FN evokes the figure of eight candidates for departmental CGT members. What do you say?
Marine Le Pen made communication, I look at reality. I found two cases in the Loiret and Savoy. They were excluded from the CGT. We are uncompromising. This political affiliation is not compatible with the values of the Union
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“? There has potentially work for everyone in France. What I say is modern, but it’s against the tide of what is meant in general “
The National Front won a majority of workers and employees. How do you react?
We live in a world that is not going well. There is a real malaise of employees. The FN believes respond by making a large gap, it supports both employers and employees, sometimes believing that he would take some of our ideas. Above all, he is attacking foreigners. Each crisis and in all countries, parties are developing in stigmatizing. The problem is not those who come to work here. This is the distribution of wealth that is unbalanced. There has potentially work for everyone in France. What I say is modern, but it’s against the tide of what is meant in general.
For everyone, really? Unemployment is at record levels …
Yes, all work is possible, provided that share the work, work better and all with the same rights. However, on this point, it is not already the case. For example, there is a fraudulent traffic organized by some companies that bring people in conditions of work and accommodation outrageous. There’s even French employees “seconded” in France. This is the first abuse when checks are carried out. The government said act, but it is not going far enough. He promises to punish, but it removes controller positions.
Your counterpart of the CFDT, Laurent Berger, considers that there is no austerity in France. And you?
France is not in the same situation as Greece and Spain, agreed. But there is a convergence of policies in Europe, which leads to austerity. We’re on the same highway, some countries are ahead of us. In France, it freezes the pensions of retirees, it does not increase the employees and officials, we downsized over.
Do you see coming economic recovery, as the head of the State and OECD experts?
recovery, where? In terms of jobs, where is it? The situation of employees she has changed? I Do Not. I read the review of the CAC 40, he passed the 5,000 points. That’s the recovery? Higher dividends, that’s it, the recovery? The Minister Macron found, too, that there are too many dividends paid to shareholders. Chiche! To act.
“We want to discuss 32 hours. This would be a real reform going in the right direction for employees “
The government will organize an appointment Social in April. What do you expect?
We are certainly not going to fill a bus to go to the government. The executive already knows what we offer. We want to discuss 32 hours. This would be a real reform going in the right direction for employees. So far I do not see an obvious difference between the positions of François Hollande, Manuel Valls and those of the MEDEF.
The negotiation to save supplementary pensions patina. Why are you opposed to a longer duration of work?
Because it does not solve anything. The answer to unemployment of older workers, for example, may not be working until age 67 or even reduce the level of pensions. There are other ways. Wage inequalities are 27% for women and men. If we cut in order to cancel them by 2025, there would be more of supplementary pensions deficit by 2020. The employers and sometimes the government likes to portray us as backward-looking or tacky, but is that modern maintain such a difference between women and men? Modernity is the CGT.
The president of MEDEF, Pierre Gattaz, said the lead responsibility pact in the branches. And you?
Pierre Gattaz vain wear a pin, it does not create jobs, except perhaps among the pine’s manufacturers. Make more gifts to companies does not reduce unemployment, but this further reduces the resources of our social protection.
“In less than 300 businesses, over 60?% of the resources allocated to their representatives to be social dialogue will disappear “
Future Rebsamen law will reform social thresholds. You are always against ?? The employees will lose. In companies with less than 300 people, more than 60?% Of the resources allocated to their representatives to be social dialogue will disappear. Rebsamen I saw no indication otherwise. Valls and I have not been proven that the prerogatives of the HSC would remain as
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We want to find the balance between the institutional presence of the union and its presence with employees. We are much sought by the government and employers, a little sucked by appointment. That’s why we hired the 3? March 2000 a series of meetings with the unions. I myself went to meet employees of the cleaning of the City of Paris, a subcontractor of Roissy airport, railway Villeneuve-Saint-Georges, several hospitals, etc. In companies, your union signs a majority of agreements. At the national level, it is rarely the case. Would you be satisfied ??
Sometimes big negotiations speak little to employees and national agreements appear from everyday. We do not try to convert the ideas from business, like other unions or as the government. We think radically differently. The worst thing is that the CGT has more ideas. The company, it corresponds to the known reality. We are pragmatic. It should be no a priori. Justice of the Peace is the opinion of the employees. We want to be a mass union listen to them. Our conception of unionism is that the union should have lots of members.
“Our results are in progress in many commercial enterprises, eg KFC or in metallurgy companies “ The CGT is down in some large companies such as Orange, Air France, Renault, SNCF … How do you explain ??
Public companies are moving in the wrong direction, they copy the management of private, it’s a shock for employees. Many believe that it is not possible to do otherwise. Our discourse becomes more difficult to hear. We have a responsibility. Note the contrary, our results are in progress in many commercial enterprises, eg KFC or in metallurgical companies. You said you wanted to take care of managers, engineers and technicians … , we advocate to organize private job and retired … But it is true that these categories of employees are gaining importance. I come from Renault’s engineering center, my last post was spent planning of settlements engine chains. I faced in my daily questions of working executives or their workload. The world of work is changing, the CGT at the same time as him. It must be the union of all employees.
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